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Judge to Parents: "Your rights end at the door."
Parental rights are being blatantly attacked and I think it may well be a foretaste of what is to come here.
Ralph Waldo Emerson described the moment in 1776 when the Minutemen fired their opening shots of the American Revolution on the village green in Lexington Massachusetts as, “The shot heard ‘round the world.”
That’s also how parental-rights advocates describe what happened recently when a federal judge in Boston shot down a lawsuit by some parents who objected to what Lexington schools were teaching their children about homosexuality.
U.S. District Court Chief Judge, Mark Wolf told David Parker and Rob and Robin Wirthlin that they had no right to challenge the schools – none at all.
Brian Camenker, executive director of the Boston based group MassResistance, was so shocked by the judge’s response that he said, “It’s so absurd, you can hardly even discuss it.”
But we must both be aware of it and discuss it, because a similar situation may well be coming to your public schools.
The Judge said, “The schools have a right and obligation to teach about same-sex relationships, even in elementary schools – and the parents’ rights end at the school house door.”
The parental objections centered around a Kindergarten book on “diversity” called “Who’s In a Family,” which portrays same-sex couples as just a different type of family. The other concerned a second grade book called "King & King," in which one prince kisses another prince.
As Washington State legislators move toward passing Domestic Partnerships as well as the anti-parent SB 5297 sex-ed bill, they are setting the stage for, as Senator Swecker called it, “Catastrophic unintended consequences.”
There are two things we must take from this.
First, as gay activists push their agenda forward, it is not, as they would have you believe, just about wanting benefits, equal rights and to simply be left alone. It is about redesigning marriage, family and our culture through an educational system that normalizes and authenticates a perverse lifestyle. The most erosion to parental rights seems to occur where the greatest advances of the gay agenda occur.
What the Massachusetts judge is saying is consistent with what the 9th Circuit Court told parents in a similar California school district challenge where elementary students were asked to complete a questionnaire about their sexual thoughts and activities. The questionnaire assumed the kids were having sexual thoughts and the parents wanted to assume they were not, or if so, that the parents, not the school district, would discuss it with their kids. The 9th Circuit basically said, “It’s none of your business.”
If Washington State lawmakers continue to pass laws, as it appears they will, that take the state down this path, they are creating an environment that will be both hostile to traditional marriage and will greatly erode parental rights.
Litigation, such as that in California and Massachusetts, will surely follow here – with much the same outcome.
And secondly, we must organize and elect lawmakers who are pro-family rather than pro-gay agenda and we must see that judges who will “interpret” the law, not create the law are elected and appointed.
God help us.
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Gary Randall
President
Faith & Freedom
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Mr. Randall seeks to tie the cases in Massachusetts and California to the sex-ed bill currently pending in the Washington State legislature.
He is seeking to paint the sex-ed bill as an erosion of parental rights, yet he has so far not acknowledged the fact that parents in Washington State can opt-out of sex-ed classes for their children.
So his contention that this bill isn't "pro-family" and that it will "greatly erode parental rights," is in fact false.
Nice try.
Andrew ,
How many parents know what is in that class being discussed ?
How many parents know they can opt out ?
Why not have it an opt in ?
Nice try ..
Anon,
It is the responsibility of parents to know what is going on in their kids classroom. I know about mine.
Randall also fails to tell us that the judge in the Boston case said in his decision that parents "can ask the school district to excuse their children when classroom discussions touch on issues of homosexuality."--Boston Globe Feb. 23rd
The Dominionist position has nothing to do with parental rights. It is about controlling society to reflect their theocratic values.
Its the parents responsibility ?
Is it not the schools responsibility to tell the parents what they are teaching their kids about sex ?
Appeaers to me if both took their responsibility better , we would not have the problem .. Or this debate ..
Yeah Andrew right ,
Abstinence is taught mainly , wink wink ,
then whose agenda gets put into play ..
If you actually are honest about being involved , you would know this .
I have sat in classes , from anal sex to flavored condoms .. One brochure mentioned abstinence .
There's no point Andrew, they are committed to playing the victim and there's very little anyone can do about it.
Of course they don't want the truth taught and they will use any means possible to suppress it. Look at their points of contention - that they don't want their kids to realize that gay families and people even exist!
When their goal is so far removed from even the slightest touch of reality there is no way to appease them they are too committed to lies and their agenda of promoting a worldview that condemns other law-abiding citizens or at best pretends they don't even exist.
I absolutely agree that it is the school's responsibility to inform the parents about curriculum and topics taught in the classroom. I have asked many questions of our school district and only received generalities regarding a new health curriculum adopted by our schools this year. You know how I found out what they were teaching? While I was volunteering and sitting in the hall, I found a stack of the health curriculum books for 2nd grade. I read through the book sitting in the hall.
Very sad.
Gary - it's worse out here than those two situations represent. One of the questions on the "questionnaire" was along the lines of: If you haven't had a sexual encounter with the same sex, how do you know you wouldn't prefer it to opposite gender sex? This to 2nd graders!!! My 4th grade Goddaughter has already learned to fit a condom on a banana, and her parents were notified only after the fact. As long as the "sex ed" is couched as a "questionnaire", there were no requirements as to parental notification. For these reasons among tons of others I sent my kids to Catholic school, though we are not Catholics. Hopefully now when my children look at a banana they will see a fruit.
MassResistance is a good website - Brian Camenker is working awfully hard to bring to light the increasingly hostile attack on the traditional family.
In light of the fact that I do not know all the facts, I will be carefully couch my comments.
First, if what Gary said were absolutely accurate, I would be very concerned as most people would be. THE PROBLEM is that literally everything I have from the little boy crying wolf is spin and distortions and blatent and studied ommissions. Therefore, at present, Gary has ZERO credibility except as one who does the above.
Gary, Jon - Do you see why Jesus called us to such a high standard of integrity?? That a good name is to be desired more than fine gold?? You guys have totally blown that - too bad - you could be contributors and helpful.
Second, the entire FNF, ERR, Dominionist position is fundamentally fascist, oppressive and violent. Therefore, to criticize of others of doing the same thing with a different set of precepts is to heap burning coals of fire on your head. Again, if you have followed genuine Christian values, you would not be in this predicament, you would have credibility and we would likely be able to work together to mitigate some of the negative issues you are referring to. Ultimately, your behavior is no better than the so called pro-choice community of yesteryear with the same galvinizing effects.
He who has an ear let him hear.
Sadly,
In Christ,
Human
Mimi,
If the items you present are indeed facts and there are no obviating elements, I would certainly share your same concern.
I would like to see how the school district responded to this issue. I must admit, I have a very hard time imagining that such sexual questionairres and such sexual tools were used in the manner you described. It seems there must be something more to it.
I listened for years to Evangelical Right Religionists decrying the public school with just such inflammatory events as you have listed. Then I volunteered in a public school for over a year. I saw NOTHING inappropriate and NOTHING like anything the ERR was stating as fact. The reality is that there were very hard working conscientious teachers trying to teach kids how to read, write, do arithmatic and get along well with the other kids. That's it.
Therefore, I tend now to take such stories with a grain a salt as I do when I listen to Gary's blog for the same reason.
Dissumulation is a tool of Satan. When one uses it again and again, it unfortunately becomes reality for them and they cannot do anything but spin, lie and disort. The Word of God calls this a "reprobate mind".
A word to the wise is sufficient.
Sincerely,
In Christ,
Human
One of the questions on the "questionnaire" was along the lines of: If you haven't had a sexual encounter with the same sex, how do you know you wouldn't prefer it to opposite gender sex? This to 2nd graders!!!
I'd love to see the pdf of this questionnaire that surely must exist on some site. I searched MassResistance.org figuring anything that outrageous would be documented there with no result. All I could find was a brouhaha about a worker fielding a question from the class by a student with a transgendered dad which is mild in comparison to this 2nd grade questionnaire.
Thanks in advance.
Gary,
This is why more young parents I have talked to are going to or are already home schooling their kids. They are NOT using the the "Virtual Acadamy" curriculum either! That is tied to the public school system - that is why it is "free". These families are using Christian curriculums.
They also pay taxes, so the public school districts get their money while the families also pay for their own education materials. Somthing wrong here!
I know the teachers union is not a good thing. Have talked to several teachers and they are not happy with the union influence!
Speaking of something wrong - I don't have ANY children - yet I had to pay over 1,200 to support other people's children - both Christian and non-Christian. Talk about injustice!!
If Gary wants to do something positive, I am happy to work together to have parents who use the public school system take the greatest responsibility for its financial upkeep.
Sincerely,
In Christ,
Human
When the school districts scream they need more money, it puzzles me. The districts mis-use the money they get! I know, the various areas get money from "here" and other areas get theirs from "there". I think that is like a shill game!
With a flexing population, the school districts cannot guarantee "X" number of children all the time. Some schools are over crowded while others are losing kids rapidly.
There has been complaints or shake-the-heads of contractors when they see some of the construction they are putting in! Not necessary for "good schooling"!
Schools have got to be big business and they are like a bottonless pit - always needing more money and they use the old ploy "The children will get the short end of the stick if we don't get more money!" NEXT!!
When many children are NOT getting the basics and are either being "pushed on" to the next grade or they are dropping out - doesn't that tell the school administrators something?!
Also, seems a lot of schools are having "lock-downs" than I ever remember!
There is a lot of corrective measures that need to be taken regarding our public schools. Good discipline has gone out the window. Kids have too much freedom. This is reflective of our society now days. Who is in "control" - kids or parents??? All together now, K I D S !!!
Mimi
Thank you for the post on this particular blog. I appreciate your comments and know they are true.We have some contacts out there and I am aware that some of the things that are going on in public education are far worse than I described in the blog. I would like very much to get a copy of the questionaire. Do you have any access to it? If so, you can contact me by emailing me at Faith and Freedom. Your email would be personal and confidential.
Thanks for your input.
God bless you
Gary Randall
Andrew
What Randall did not go into is that when teachers use questionaires, they are not required to give parents advance knowledge, because they are not "teaching the material as cirriculum"
The judge said the parents were free to ask for their children to be excused because he knows how the shell game works and most of the time parents are running after the school and their cirriculum trying to find out what their children are actually being taught.
Sadly, too often they only find out after the fact
So Human is Ward Churchill. Without the Phd. of course
I know this is true 5:20. I have a friend who was a public school teacher. She said the school knows who the inquisitive parents are and do try to keep info from them. She said they put on a different face for those parents.
She home schools her own children rather than put them into public schools.
ov,
You are the one "playing the victim"! Just because you cannot or will not see that you are playing the victim, does not negate the fact.
I know your retort will be in self-defense, that is natural. Until you come to face the reality of the falseness of the path you are following, you will always promote that you are right.
I can hear you gnashing your teeth. This does not demonstrate you are truly looking for truth - just that you WILL hang on to your bias no matter what. You are entitled to hang on to your bias all you want to; but, for you to promote it as truth is truly like saying "black" is "white" or "large" is "small" or "right" is "wrong".
Mimi, Gary,
I am waiting for genuine facts posted on this, e.g. .pdf files, School district responses, etc. At present, my experience within the Public Schools showed just the opposite of what you are saying.
It sounds as if fear is being used to market a product. That is my concern.
Sincerely,
In Christ,
Human
Human
Iam a school teacher. It is worse than Gary is reporting. I don't think he or others like him are acting in fear as much as in concern. We should all be concerned unless we subscribe to the homosexual agenda.It's at work every day in my district and to say anything about it publically, is to do so at your own peril.
Yes but so many examples given are mere acknowledging that gays exist I have the strong feeling that anything other than a non-existent or negative presentation is considered a 'homosexual agenda'.
Googling I did find ONE Maryland paper that mentioned the 2nd grade and same sex questionnaires but turns out it was about adults taking a questionnaire and having 2nd grade reading/comprehension skills - a report on how accurate survey techniques really are.
Don't know where Mimi got this bit of 'info' but considering all the usual hate sites would have run with this if it actually did happen my guess it is just wishful thinking on someone's part.
You are the one "playing the victim"! Just because you cannot or will not see that you are playing the victim, does not negate the fact.
But the fact that I'm not does ;) I'm not the one complaining because the school dares to mention gay people exists and act as if my child was so dim they couldn't handle that not everyone believes the same thing and that is their right in this country.
I know your retort will be in self-defense
Mick is this you? Mick is usually the one that 'knows' my future based on his own stereotypes and expectations. 'Self-defense' wouldn't have been even on my radar.
I can hear you gnashing your teeth.
Well whoever you are you're delusional - chuckling doesn't sound like gnashing in the slightest.
And the typically vague allusion to 'bias' but none is identified (yawn) Exactly where is the bias in schools acknowledging:
gay people exist.
gay parents exist.
some students have gay parents.
some students are gay.
and all these people have a right to exists in this great nation of OURS and an equal right to utilize this public school system without institutionalized prejudice or persecution?
I expect no reasoned response so don't worry you won't be forced to actually think.
I would take Mimi's word over your "research" any day. I've seen some of your "factual" claims that are just plain false.
I have also read stories about this--it is no one's wishful thinking.
Hate sites? I find that amusing. I have not seen the degree of hate in any of those sites, that might report such a thing, that I see in your numerous posts.
I would take Mimi's word over your "research" any day. I've seen some of your "factual" claims that are just plain false.
Vague allusions once again without a single example. Come one, no one falls for the 'Big Lie' tactics anymore - you just repeating the same lies over and over won't change anyone's mind.
As for 'my' research its Google for gosh's sake! Look yourself - go to the hate sites - none of them mention this which would be worlds away more sensational than the kid who identified his father as transgendered in a 3rd grade class.
If this had actually happened these places would be all over it, but they aren't. Look with Google, go look at the hate sites yourself, its just not present anywhere.
But it does illustrate a point - you'd take Mimi's 'word' rather than look to see if it was true. Ever played telegraph as a kid?
And of course you don't see the hate - you are so infected with it it looks normal to you. Demagogic posturing is a symptom of hatred. Denying fellow citizens equal rights is a symptom of hatred. I mean look at history - The Nazis had God on their side too and we know how that all turned out.
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Vishanti I have challenged your "claims" many times. That seems to be your (and Human's) way to dismiss anyone who doesn't buy into your gig. Automatically you claim that people don't give you a substantive basis to object--when they do again and again. I no longer bother because you have been wrong so many times, I won't waste my time checking anymore. I can be fairly certain your claims are incorrect. And that is what happens when you tell tall tale after tall tale. People stop believing you.
Like when your google said that they only moved the cross in VA temporarily and would put it back afterwards Oshtur Vishanti?????
Someone had to come along behind you and correct you with their own google which showed that they had removed the cross perm.???????
Vishanti I have challenged your "claims" many times. That seems to be your (and Human's) way to dismiss anyone who doesn't buy into your gig. Automatically you claim that people don't give you a substantive basis to object--when they do again and again.
Yeah right. But no example now. Again typically vague. A single specific example beyond your abilities I take it?
Someone had to come along behind you and correct you with their own google which showed that they had removed the cross perm.???????
No they came along merely claimed it wasn't true - they posted neither an url or a quote supporting this claim. And again I'm sure you used google and realized their claim was bogus - the very top hits on google are about how the cross was NOT removed permanently. You did check yourself, right? No the reality is they presented nothing but an unsupported statement that was a lie, one you seem very very susceptible to accepting without a single critical thought.
But this is an excellent example to 'challenge my claim'. Please show me a quote that says the cross has been removed permanently. The dean's email doesn't say it, the stories about it doesn't say it, and again it would make no sense that it was permanently remove.
Another examples of the faux-victimization and easily revealed lies that fueled the current conservative movement and is finally in its last gasps fortunately.
"littleroundtop@comcast.net"
Well at least we have answered one question about people who post under more than one sign-on. That email belongs to Mick Sheldon, a Republican Committee Officer no less.
Hi Mick! Just how many of these anonymous comments are really from you? I wonder how many times your 'anonymous' supporters have actually been in your mirror?
Ov,
I am NOT "Mick"! I am NOT one by many names!
* People who practice the perversion of having sex with their same sex exist.
* People who practice the perversion of having sex with their same sex may exist as "parents".
* People who practice the perversion of having sex with their same sex may exist as students who have same sex parents.
* People who practice the perversion of having sex with their same sex may exist as students.
* People who practice the perversion of having sex with their same sex DO have a right to exist; BUT, participate in opposite sex relating.
Why do you insist that it is the same sex relating that is viable?
Don't add practicing of paranoia that there are many people who can see that same sex relating is WRONG, and you perceive they are out to get you.
Please don't take this as "hate"; because it is not. It is reality, truth. We do NOT approve of the practice of same sex relating. The people who do this are every bit human as any other person, therefore already have all the rights as any other human. How can we get this point across to those who WANT to practice same sex relating??? What satisfaction would you get to be able to get all the heterosexual practicing people to accept perversion?
Hutch may have stated it is a "war". That is because this issue stirs up a fighting spirit within him that recognizes wrong as wrong!
I am NOT "Mick"! I am NOT one by many names!
yet you post email mailed to him - how very very odd, what?
As to your using your word 'perversion' that is mere opinion added to my statements which are objectively true. That is the problem - you want to make your opinion the only thing taught, the only viewpoint expressed to the bizarre point that even a neutral presentation is considered 'advocacy'. The idea of a neutral education, one where all are free to their own totally legal moral choices is anathema to such as you.
People can think its wrong all they want but until they can prove it is wrong then their opinion is just that - mere opinion. They have a right to it, I have a right to disagree.
How can we get this point across to those who WANT to practice same sex relating??? What satisfaction would you get to be able to get all the heterosexual practicing people to accept perversion?
Because you can't see the point you are making - you see mere allowing people a choice what opinion to hold as 'accepting' when it is merely 'tolerating', i.e. the right of people to do and think things that you yourself would not do.
But then fortunately your hating kind are a dying breed - the majority of US citizens RIGHT NOW think that being gay is ok, and the majority of those under 40 think that gay married couples should have the same civil benefits as other married couples.
Your evil is coming to an end.
Hutch is engaged in anti-Christ, fascist behavior. In the name of Jesus Christ he needs to repent.
When Jesus' disciples came to make Him king, He turned and left them.
Hutch is still trying to take Jesus' by force to make Him king - shame on his evil, anti-Christ, demonized soul - get thee away from Me Satan.
I must apologize to this forum for my incorrect statements regarding a questionnaire I stated was given to 2nd grade students. It was in fact given to high school students, not elementary kids.
You may find it at (I don't know how to link things)
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/downloads/school_handouts/LiveLetLove2.pdf
Please accept my apologies.
The reason you can't find any information or files is because the teaachers hand out pamplets and then collect them. A friend in New Jersey was horrified to find out what her son was learning in class. She only knew because by accident the pamplet came home. The teachers make sure they collect the information so parents don't see it. She went on to have the filth eliminated from the curriculum but it was a huge battle.
Dear Anon: It is so scary, and I'm afraid us traditionalists are losing the culture war. The NEA has flushed itself down the toilet.
Mimi thank you for the clarification and I have a question
What upsets you about this brochure? The 'questionnaire' makes it clear that this is just to frame the kind of questions asked gays all the time back on straights and see how it makes them feel, not to actually get answers for them. Its just trying to generate a bit of empathy for how if feels to have these sort of interrogations about one's sexual orientation.
Oh and thanks for the link - archived and indexed for the next time someone says something vague on this line of thought and I will be able to ask - "Do you mean this?"
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