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Faith & Freedom Ramps Up Efforts
Faith and Freedom is doing several things to increase our efforts in Washington State.
Jennifer Lee has joined our staff as Field Director. She has had a great deal of experience in the political field and earned a Bachelor's Degree in Political Science from Seattle Pacific University.
In 2004, Jennifer was hired as Deputy Communication Director for the Dave Reichert for Congress Campaign in Washington's 8th Congressional District. In 2005, she relocated to Washington DC to work as congressional staff for Congressman Reichert in the U.S. House of Representatives. (Read more from her bio).
Jennifer is a devout person of faith and feels deeply about the ministry of Faith & Freedom. In fact, Jennifer has come on board full-tim before we have been able to raise her entire salary.
One donor has agreed to underwrite half her salary for a year. We are working with Jennifer to raise the balance of her salary.
Jennifer, working with Jon Russell and myself, is organizing the Washington statewide network around the principle of having a cohesive network with a district leader in all 49 legislative districts. This will be completed this year in preparation for 2008.
If you live in Washington state and would be willing to be a part of this network, please contact Jennifer at j.lee@faithandfreedom.us. To find other ways that you might get involved with FFN, please visit our Volunteer Resource Page on our website.
Faith & Freedom is also setting up a Political Action Committee. The PAC will be used to elect and defeat lawmakers and judges. Our criteria is not partisan but issue oriented. We will support those who support Judeo-Christian values and oppose those who do not.
We are also launching a youth leadership program that will help teenagers clarify their worldview and learn how they can impact their culture through leadership.
Looking forward, it is apparent that much remains to be done in Washington State. With missed opportunities for change in referendums, senators, representatives and judges during this past year, we must do better.
We are pledging ourselves to, with God's help and your support, advance righteousness and Judeo-Christian values in more effective ways.
Thank you for standing with us.
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Gary Randall
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Same sex attraction is profoundly troubling for many. It is confusing, since what is felt is so different than God’s declared design. “What’s wrong with me? Why can’t I change? I am a misfit. Am I designed incorrectly? I’m confused” are often thoughts of those who struggle with unwanted same sex attractions. These and other related questions will be explored on a journey toward relational health. We take a biblical view, which does not tolerate same sex relationships that parallel and mimic heterosexual dating, courtship, and marriage, or any form of illicit sexual relationships. If you are a current member and are in agreement with this position and want help, email gracegroup@marshillchurch.org.
We are in full agreement with you. The Christian community needs to do more and do better. You are best suited to lead in this culture war for godly values and righteousness. We stand one hundred per cent behind you.
Thanks Gary. You, Jon and your staff are doing a great job. I have supported you in the past and will increase that going forward.
Keep up the good work. God bless you
There are to many organizations talking about the problems and none seem to be doing much about it.I have appreciated the fact that you have a lobby person and communicate well through blogs. maybe the state isn't christian enough. God bless you in your efforts.
I am involved with Faith and Freedom and would encourage all who really want to see change to contact Jennifer and get involved with their network
"We will support those who support Judeo-Christian values and oppose those who do not."
Translation; you will ignore the pecidillos of Republicans, provided the support your intrusive social agenda, and attack any Democrat as being anti-Chritian, especially those, who dare to oppose your agenda.
Great comments , I wish we had more of them .. It would be great to exchange opinions here and allow for sharing of battles fought , won and lost in our local communities . The Left has consumed the locality I live in , don't even bother applying for anything except token conservative on a committee .
And to the nasty anom , yeah you .
The intrusive social agenda ? What planet do you live in , are you just listening to CNBC ..
The social changes are from the left , conservatives did not bring schools , comprehenisve , abortion clinics , needle exchanges , new math that teaches you to feel good about your answers , regulations that promote last years regulations , and it did not make God a dirty word . The right is in yur bedroom ? The left is in our kids and eevrybodies bedroom who pays taxes , we support their agenda .
The liberals see a different America , they admit to want to see it transformed < the honest ones> they don't like our history , they don't like people of Faith , and they definitely don't like intellectual debate un less its on their terms , their definitions , and on their assumed position of intellectual superiority . And they can not understand people , such as our Founding Fathers , Deists and all , who see our Rights as Given , not government or scientifically advanced .
Of course their are exceptions , . But saying Thank You God at A Graduation to some on the left is support for a Theocracy , a Christmas Play in a Public School is not reflecting a culture its promoting a religion ..
Now we have people of Faith told their Faith is out of Public School , and the things and values that Faith promotes seen as destructive , and your ideas are seen as educational ..
What a crock . The results , walk through a High School today , if you are older then 40 you will amazed to the change , if your older then 50 you will be shocked . If you are part of the system and seen the incremental changes , you accept it and do what you can .
Oh yeah , blame the people who have nothing to do with it ?
oooopsie I guess Human was a little confused when he claimed to attend Mars Hill church.
I wonder if he is as vocal there as he is with anomomity here ?
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Wonder if he would call his Pastor a facist or not ..
Must be a hoot at the potlocks
Human here...
Human speaks truth everywhere.
At present, I have not seen fascism exhibited at MH - I have seen it exhibted by FNF.
Mick,
With all due respect, I believe there are some serious issues that you are overlooking. Partisanship does not help promote solutions.
Peace,
In Christ,
Human
Gary says,
Faith & Freedom is also setting up a Political Action Committee. The PAC will be used to elect and defeat lawmakers and judges.
Human responds,
Gary, you continue to battle against flesh and blood whereas genuine Christian values asserts that our battle is NOT against flesh and blood. Hmmm...why are you reject genuine Christian values???
I note that Mars Hills does not get involved in the political fray - I do not know all their reasons, i.e. whether Biblically based or simply practicality.
Peace,
In Christ,
Human
Faith and Freedom is in fact working with legislators who are Democrat. I am one they are working with. As far as FFN treating Democrats as though they are the anti-christ, that is not true. They are very active in their positions here in Olympia, but nobody on our side has ever indicated that they think Faith and Freedom sees them as the anti-christ.
I don't agree with all their positions, but agree with enough of them to take a moment and post this comment.
Keep up the good work, Gary
Of course their are exceptions , . But saying Thank You God at A Graduation to some on the left is support for a Theocracy , a Christmas Play in a Public School is not reflecting a culture its promoting a religion ..
See Mick, sometimes you don't make any sense. Of course you can 'Thank God' at a graduation. And you can be in a Christmas play that doesn't promote a particular religion. I mean, wasn't it church and sunday school where you in religiously themed productions as a child as it was with me in my youth in Mount Vernon, Aberdeen and Kirkland? I can 100% say I never participated in anything like a manger scene or the like in public school as a kid right here in Washington state - what person would even expect such a thing?
And needle exchanges? What Christian would want someone to use a dirty needle? You aren't trying to say that people 'deserve' to get sick if they make bad choices? That an addict so down and out that they are in the position they couldn't just go to the pharmacy and get a hundred clean insulin syringes would actual use or not use drugs on the basis of them being able to get a clean needle?
The hostility, the lack of compassion and the burning desire to run other people's lives are disturbing feature of the Christianism movement. I know that some think that is being against them is being against religion their religion but seriously, its really being against them.
"See Mick, sometimes you don't make any sense. Of course you can 'Thank God' at a graduation. And you can be in a Christmas play that doesn't promote a particular religion. "
Ah never have figured out the dark lettering deal yet ..Write slower ... I am a Fundy .. And quit parcing words , a Minister or Rabbi get up in front of Moms and Dads ata Graduation to give a three minute Thank you God for looking out for these hormonal delinquents , no I don't think so .. Every year there are problems just if the kid giving the speech for best grades wishes to Thank God ..
I use to have a Minister and my buddies Dad , a Rabi gave grace at our sports Banquent , thats a no no now ..
A Christams Play , they don't even call it that anyome , its a winter festival .. or most schools anyway . Legally thy can , but to err on the side of caution ... Thats the American way , especially when liberals are in charge .
]I mean, wasn't it church and sunday school where you in religiously themed productions as a child as it was with me in my youth in Mount Vernon, Aberdeen and Kirkland? I can 100% say I never participated in anything like a manger scene or the like in public school as a kid right here in Washington state - what person would even expect such a thing?
We had a Play called the Littlest Angel in our 5th grade public school play , I am 52 , this in elementary school in NJ . It was about an Angel , yep it was a Play that had the Birth Of Christ in the Background of what going on .. Wisement , Sheppards ,, ohh , you think kids were deluded for sing Hark the Herald ? .. Oh my ACLU . The Birth of Christ was in the background , the Play was about an Angel who was smaller then the others and did not fit in .. Turned out somehow he did something different and was acknowledged as important .. Being different can be good .. See we had diversity before people told you how hate full you were if you did not think like you do . , The Play was not religious , but did not deny that The Holiday trees were for Christmas either .. No doubt Washington schools never had Christmas Plays , no doubt at all . I come from the religious right state of NJ ..
And needle exchanges? What Christian would want someone to use a dirty needle?
I don't know any in my circles ..
I don;t know one who would give an addict a needle either ... Coming from NJ all our needles are on the beach .. :sarcastic joke: I can understand the LIBERAL philospy of enabling the drug addict , I suggest that their are 12 steps courses for this , .. Trust me they do not work , I keep getting up to the 8th or 9th step and bail out myself .
In Seattle , which I bet you live close to from your liberal thinking and its matter of fact superiority , they have a new program where the drunks get all the booze they want but I believe they have to drink in their tax payer suplied apartments . It made national news . I guess its the liberal cure for the homeless problem .. No , my idea of love is not giving clean needles , ... No I don;t have the answer , I don't think government programs help either .. I know most people have to hit rock bottom before they get help . And if you give them help or force them help the odds are it will not do any good .. They will suffer longer and the peopel around them .
You aren't trying to say that people 'deserve' to get sick if they make bad choices? That an addict so down and out that they are in the position they couldn't just go to the pharmacy and get a hundred clean insulin syringes would actual use or not use drugs on the basis of them being able to get a clean needle?
Actually I am saying the only way that person will get help and clean up his act is if you love them enough to let them fall ...
No that is not an easy thing to do ... And having to deal with that situation in my family , I can say I do understand the liberal view .. But please don't give me you balony about being kinder or more compassionate .. There is no such thing in those situations .. The best we can do is when the person falls and hits rock bottom , some one is there saying I am here to help . Giving clean needles just post pones a problem , increases the possibility that the addict will be out on the streets longer hurting others and himself ..
The hostility, the lack of compassion and the burning desire to run other people's lives are disturbing feature of the Christianism movement.
Well first you say No Christian would do this , but you actually hate Christians I think .. Why you talk to me , maybe you think I am a fluke ? Or maybe you hate me , I just explained my idea of compassion is to not support needle exchanges . You think I am making that up so to hurt people ?
Notice you sure like Human whyen he says those who are against legalizing drugs are going to hell , along witht he black hating Evangelicals .
Shhesh ... Using your concept of hate its anyone who differs with your opinion , but the tactics used by Human my friend is wrong when either side uses them , religious or non .. That is what you don't get ... That is what God teaches !
Anon 5:45
If you are are a genuine legislator in the WA State Congress, I request, in the name of Jesus Christ, that you be honest with your identity. You hold a valued and responsible position. I am open to FNF promoting the genuine values of Jesus - I don't care what party joins into these values. The problem is that FNF continues to meddle in the things of flesh and blood for the purpose of oppression of peaceful, tax paying citizens of the State of Washington in contrast to the will of God as expressed in scripture (ICor5:12, 13, etc, etc.).
This is a significant discussion issue - an issue which ultimatley causes great pain in many souls as religious oppression has through the ages. Yet Jesus said that Love does not hurt its neighbor (Rom 13:10). When is this teaching going to be genuinely followed????? When we reach out in love as opposed to oppression and violence in the name of Jesus - we are then doing the genuine work of the gospel. If that is your goal, I request that you reveal yourself instead of hiding and that we work together through the issues in the name of our Savior and the Lord of the Universe. You are a paid public servant and, therefore, owe the public AT LEAST that much.
Peace,
In the name of Him who is our Savior,
Jesus of Nazareth,
Human
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Are they part of this web group ?
Mick,
I have done nothing but share the Word of God and love of Christ with you. For what do you condemn me and why do you hate me? What did Jesus say of the man who hates his brother??? The question then is, what spirit is energizing you. My concern is partly a result of your posts which often are incoherent ramblings (I cannot understand the first sentence of your last post) - this is not the Spirit of Christ who speaks with a clear word.
I am not sure what you want me to do. However, if you wish to contact me personally, please send an email to further57@yahoo.com and please tell me when you do since I don't check this often.
Peace,
In Christ,
Human
Mick, sometimes its like two different 'yous' are responding.
You talk about 'Thanking God at a graduation' and then when I respond to that you change the goal post and say its about having a professional priest/rabbi/whatever Thanking God at a graduation'. Again, who would even want that?
You admit that your desires for something in this state is from what you saw in another state. Again, from my experience in Washington state education from metro-suburban to rural I have NEVER seen a religious play performed at a public school. Never. And from my lifetime of intuition about it I wouldn't think most citizens here would even expect it. Those are the plays you have at your churches and church youth groups as a kid. Its almost like you have the feeling that going to public school is the only place kids can do this sort of thing. I mean, if all your kids are religious they go to a religious youth group, yes? They participate in church activities, correct? Why would you even want a public school to promote a particular religion too?
And the idea that giving an infection free needle to someone is 'enabling' them - does that even have any biblical basis? Jesus helped people the way they were, not that way he wanted them to be. Reminds me of philosophy they teach in emergency treatment training - 'your gial isn't necessarily to 'fix' them, your goal is to make their situation better'. Its not all or nothing - you can just improve someone's life to better than it was and honestly I've always considered that the Christian view of charity and compassion - I don't see that in the current Christianist movement.
Yes you do give someone who is going to be using injectable drugs anyway a clean needle so when they do they don't get a disease too. Trying to force someone to live some gold standard of behavior RIGHT NOW is so opposite of what I understand Jesus to have wanted its really hard to consider the kind of people who insist on it to be actual Christians. Do I think you are making up your rationalization to 'hurt people'? I don't know - it surely doesn't seem to be a very rational reasoning and its hard to think that anyone with compassion in their heart could be so heartless. I would like to think your heart is not such a 'whited sepulcher' when it comes to caring for others but your words say otherwise.
I do think the people who gravitate to the F&FN network are 'flukes' since virtually all the Christians I know would never be has heartless and dogmatic as the ones that you see here.
And if you 'noticed' I sure liked Human on his drug philosophy that again seems to indicate you aren't really reading the notes at all - I didn't even agree with him on pot for goodness sake! And to say my idea of 'hate' is anyone who differs with my opinion - you know that's not true and a self-satisfying rationalization on your part. I am against people that try and hurt other people and try and punish them in the name of 'God' and force them to make the choices you want them to make. That is NOT what the Christian God 'teaches' and and that's why the people that do I don't see as Christian, but just part of the new pseudoChristian Christianism movement.
If someone needs help you give them the help they need and the help they will at this stage in their life accept, period. You don't decide you won't help them because they aren't 'good enough' or they deserve what they get, or because they aren't following your take on the rules. A Christian helps people PERIOD and no you can't accomplish that by NOT helping them.
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Mick,
I am, as you often are, a messanger of Jesus Christ. You have shared powerful scripture with me that has encouraged me to make adjustments in my behavior.
Thanks,
In Christ,
Human
Mick, sometimes its like two different 'yous' are responding.
You talk about 'Thanking God at a graduation' and then when I respond to that you change the goal post and say its about having a professional priest/rabbi/whatever Thanking God at a graduation'. Again, who would even want that?
So you would have no problem with a student give her sppech for being the best student saying in a prepared speech she Thanked God for helping her ?
Wow , use to be common having Priests and Rabbis show up .. ... That is before people the culture wars ...I think , I sure don't remember anybody getting mad at our banquests .. . Ever notice how many churches their are in a community ? Reflecting that culture in my opinion is a positive thing . Not endorsing or promoting a religion , just reflecting it .. One thing I think it would stop some people from being so afraid of people , as you promote . The kind of people who come here reflects not the Christians you know .. Somehow I really don't think you know too many . The vast majority of people who are Christians would not come to this blog because of you , and people like you .. The words and hatred you spew out is something that is not in their worlds . Your view point of them comes from a very shallow perspective ..
You admit that your desires for something in this state is from what you saw in another state. Again, from my experience in Washington state education from metro-suburban to rural I have NEVER seen a religious play performed at a public school. Never. And from my lifetime of intuition about it I wouldn't think most citizens here would even expect it.
A few years ago the North Kitsap School District banned a Charlie Brown Christmas play from performing during school hours . Your philospy and views are supported from the majority .of school administrators it appears .. Some teacher complained before it was going to be performed , and that was it . But your view is the majority , at least it is the view that gets supported .
And the idea that giving an infection free needle to someone is 'enabling' them - does that even have any biblical basis?
I don't think so . Perhaps it speaks to being responsible for one self . There is a bibical comment regarding if you don't work you don't eat ... But I think its more about responsibility there , and dealing with laziness . Addicts are for different reasons , maybe some are even inherited . With me and the needle exchange its more about love and compassion for the addict and the folks that we allow to allow the addict to harrass. As I said , I can understand your view , I do not understand your hatred for people who see it my way . It proves to me you do not have the ability to understand , which explains your hositility . Your intellectual ability is quite frustrating when having a conversation , or trying to to , its like how can you not undertand the fear of enabling the person to go on in a terribe life .. Don;t you know any people who are in that situation ?
Yes you do give someone who is going to be using injectable drugs anyway a clean needle so when they do they don't get a disease too. Trying to force someone to live some gold standard of behavior RIGHT NOW is so opposite of what I understand Jesus to have wanted its really hard to consider the kind of people who insist on it to be actual Christians.
So you see Jesus physically giving the person a needle or the drug itself , because the drugs bought on the street are laced usually with all sorts of vile crude . I don't see the Lord giving clean drugs or needles . If you knew Him I think you might understand better .
Do I think you are making up your rationalization to 'hurt people'? I don't know - it surely doesn't seem to be a very rational reasoning and its hard to think that anyone with compassion in their heart could be so heartless.
Wow ,, You are being honest ... I guess not worth really worth discussing it further .. But it reminds me of the Star Trek Episode when Spock and a few of the crew get tranported into a similiar dimension , but the world is quite different and the Federation is really Evil ... The Good Spock can pretend to be evil , but the evil Spock gets detected right away in the regualr dimension because he could not fake it .
I can live in your world , I guess I have to ... But man you just would not fit with your superior heart and compassion in my world . You gotta accept we are all jerks , and you would be surprised to see how many people actually cared if you did . We are all united by a common bond , a Love of Christ and joy to know Him and know we are forgiven by him , for worse things you could ever accuse us of .. Sorry my man ... Your too smart for me.
Human
You asked a person on this board for his identity ,
You do not share yours . I believe you would be less likely to call people who differ with Facists and such if you were honest with you are .
I do not see you doing that in your church at Mars Hill . Which have a large group of believers who share the same Faith and much the same views of how to share that with the world ..
You do realize not only your views on drugs for instrance are unique , but your views on those who differ are extreme and not something your church would promote , in fact you would be subject to having your membership pulled if you spoke to people like you do here who believe drugs and the legalization would only cause more Anna Nicoles dying , not less. .
Mick,
re: Identification
I was responding with a poster who claimed to be a WA State Legislator - a public servant (not a private citizen)- and functioning as such. Therefore, it would be incumbent on him/her to identify themselves
I do not identify myself because there are a few ravenous wolves who post here - the murderous spirit of John Calvin (who burned a peaceful man alive and murdered many people in cahoots with the "reformers" (falsely so called)). Jesus, as you know, did not always identify Himself even when requested to do so by His disciples.
re: Drugs
I have not stated anything but Biblical fact - the creation of God is GOOD!! NOT evil and intended to be criminalized - I have dispensed with worldly brainwashing and I recommend that we all do so. I challenge anyone to show one false statement I have made in this regard.
Sincerely,
In Christ
Human
There is no way Human attends Mars Church. As we have established again and again--Human is faking being a Christian (as if his odd posts do not make that perfectly clear) and posts under several names including Vishanti and anonymous.
I think he is evil. I don't even think like that--except with Hitler. I usually look to what makes people the way they are. But with human and his odd lies and bizarre attacks--he is evil. I know you have a miserable life human--and you are reaping what you have sown. Your behavior and attitudes make your life the way it is. You lie as easily as you breath.
So you would have no problem with a student give her sppech for being the best student saying in a prepared speech she Thanked God for helping her ?
None at all as long as she didn't use the podium as a pulpit. You are referring to that girl who had her prepared approved speech that thanked God but she tried to substitute that proselytized are you? If you are I do wonder how you would accept a speech that told the audience that Allah was the only way to salvation, or Satan, or Zeus or whatever.
ow , use to be common having Priests and Rabbis show up
In school?!!!! Sorry I can honestly say I never ever ever saw that... can't be that common.
As I said , I can understand your view , I do not understand your hatred for people who see it my way
Hatred? Wanting people to be compassionate towards others is 'hating' the people lacking in compassion? That doesn't even make sense to me.
its like how can you not undertand the fear of enabling the person to go on in a terribe life .. Don;t you know any people who are in that situation ?
Again, that statement doesn't make sense - helping someone to not get a disease is not 'enabling' them to do anything bad it making their bad choices do them as less harm as possible.
And yes I do know people 'in this situation'. I worked for 3 years with street people and realize there are some that given a choice between being in a shelter and not abusing something and being on the street and being abusing they will choose the later. As such the compassionate thing to do is help them EVEN IF they are going to continue to abuse - their life will still be better. Yes Jesus did give 'lepers' the things they needed (remember lepers in those days were considered that way due to sin, not disease)
You mentioned the housing project for chronic alcoholics as if it was a bad thing. Forget that they are living cleaner than they have in years, forget that 60% of them try to quit using alcohol in the program, forget that some do get sober and move on to better lives, forget every single positive thing this program does for them - if it doesn't forcing them to quit drinking you think its bad thing even though by doing so you will just drive them away into a truly hopeless existence.
Yes, those who would rather hurt people than help them are 'obvious' and there are lots of F&FN supporters that fit into that category. What's amazing is they can't see it. and think their actions would do anything but make Jesus cry.
"What a crock"
An extremely accurate description of 99% of what Mick posts.
Quit lying, anonymous. I am a Democratic legislator and FFN is constantly attacking good bills just becuase they are sponsored by Democrats. They are actively and illegally funnelling money from their 501(c)3 to their lobbying organization, and if you think they won't be doing the same with their new PAC, which will undoubtably support GOP candidates nearly exclusively, you're delusional.
So, anon, even with what you claim is true, doubtful since you have provided no substantiation, you are equating posting things you don't like in comments on a blog to orchestrating the murder of millions. Either you take this blog far to seriously or value the lives of 6 million jews to little.
Anon 3:45
I have pointed the funding issue out many times. What can be done to determine whether FNF is disobeying the law contrary to Rom 13 and God's command for us to obey the laws of the land??
You are correct in everything you state - I am calling in the name of Jesus but also, as an American citizen, recognize that FNF needs to be investigated by the IRS for what are apparently illegal activities.
Sincerely,
In Christ,
Human
All the posts after 2:27 are by the same person. Note the compulsive posting 3:45, 3:48, 3:58. all trademarks of human/vishanti.
Allen said...
Human,
First time on this site. You seriously don't believe all this stuff you write here do you? At first pass, I agree with others, that you are writing under several ID's. I anylize writing patterns for a living.
I believe I have seen you writing on other websites as well.
Are you a paid blogger? And if so, who would pay you? If you are not a paid blogger, why do you spend so much time on this site when you have such distain for what it stands for?
You need to get a life.
3:55 PM, February 19, 2007
to anon 3:45 PM, February 23, 2007
That is an evil lie--and it is very clear it is vishanti aka human. Grow up--get a job--and get a life--and get some psychological help.
Human you set your self as speaking for God . You are on amuch important position then a representative of a government .
If you are a Christian , you are part of a Royal Priesthood , you are a child of God , you are heir to a Kindom that makes any government offical look like a spec on an ant .
How dare you show such contempt for someone not showing their identy when you chastise those in the name of Jesus Christ , state you represnt the meaning of the Bible , and then state you are scared og mere men ..
Shame shame on you , your an imposter .
I gladly suffer for the Sake of Jesus Christ ..
It would be an honor for me .
Mick,
I agree re: rep of gov vs. Royal priesthood - I agree that to suffer for Jesus Christ is great glory.
I have no contempt for anyone except those who are evil such as our two emissaries of Satan that post here and anyone else who serves Satan. I only requested that an identification be made - but as this valiant legislator continued to post, I understand why he cannot reveal himself and I accept his reasons.
Now Mick my good friend answer me this - why did Jesus go about quietly at times not divulging His identity. If you condemn me as you have then you must condemn the Lord of Glory - are you sure you want to do that??????
Sincerely,
In Christ,
Human
Human you are evil. Be quite and move on.
So, anon, if you are so upset about Human, why do you spend all your time cyber-stalking him?
Oh, and my post at 3:45 is not an "evil lie" it is God's honest truth. FFN is illegally mixing funds between the 501(c)3 (for which donations are tax dedeuctable) and their 501(c)4 lobbying group(for which donations are NOT tax deductable). Don't believe me? then show me where on FFN's site one can make donations that FFN doesn't claim are tax deductable. In fact, in a post asking for donations to support their lobbying effort a while back, Gary included a link to the donations page for thier 501(c)3, which is prohibited from lobbying.
Gary,
Integrity and obedience to the government are critical J-C Values. Do you really maintain these values or do you maintain them only when it is convenient to your econmic livelihood. It is a sincere question for the obvious reasons. I hope that you will step out behind the curtain and make certain that this area is absolutely pure and holy before the Lord.
"That which is done in darkness shall be shouted aloud on the housetops!!" See Mr. Haggard as a prominent example of Jesus teaching the truth.
Sincerely,
In Christ,
Human
What about the WEA and the Indian Tribes running smear campaigns against a conservative supreme court justice? Is the Washington Education Association legally using its dues to smear judges?
Anon 6:37
The WEA does not request or give tax deductible receipts. It is a legally different type of organization. I know the same is true of the Indian tribes although they are coming from a completely left field type of legal entity.
FNF is working the same gambit some of the reform organizations are working which is to use tax deductible contributions for their propaganda (read: spin)which they have recharacterized as "educational". This characterization of an activity allows them to squeeze in as a 503(c) organization and, therefore, provide tax deductible receipts for donors.
Nothing very complex about it really as long as you have some basic familiarity with this area of tax law (which I don't but I am certain they have CPAs who I would suspect want to be careful about how they doing their accounting).
An example of what would be an inappropropriate use of tax deductible money for is Jon's salary. Jon is a professional lobbyist. Though I suppose the trick is to characterize a fair amount of his activity as educational and thus maintain his activity as tax deductible as well (perhaps "educating" the legislators rather than "lobbying" them.....you be the judge). The reality is that to the extent that it is legal and to the extent they are following the law, I don't have a problem it as I don't with any other such organization. BUT, admittedly, I do strongly suspect that if FNF was in charge, they would doubtlessly be much less generous with those peaceful human beings who did not behave in manners which they consider appropriate.
Sincerely,
In Christ,
Human
all posts from 1:28 on are from the same person
9:56, you're a delusional idiot.
6:37, can you provide some more information on this alleged "smear campaign"? The only smears campaigns I am aware of were by right-wing groups (many supposedly Christian) against incumbents on the court.
As for WEA dues money, yes they are allowed to lobby with it. FFN is allowed to lobby with money raised from non-tax deductable donations to thier 501(c)4, but I can't find anywhere where they solicit such donations, just tax-deductable ones for their 501(c)3, which I suspect they are illegally using for lobbying activities. I didn't realize that following IRS regulations was unchristian.
Sorry guys. FFN is operating well with in the IRS regs. We have a CPA firm and law firm that oversees all financial and legal matters. Donations to the Foundation are tax deductible and are used for approved educational activities. All 501(c)3 organizations are allowed a small percentage of their annual budget to be used for related advocatcy such as lobbying. All FFN lobby expenses are accounted for, and paid for with non tax deductible donations from churches or individuals who specifically give non tax dedutible gifts for that specific purpose. A number of churches across the state support FFN. Public appeals are not made because it is not necessary due to the relationship with the local churches.
BTW Gary does not earn his living from Faith and Freedom.
Hate us----Hate Gary if you must, but please know you are completely off base on your suggestions of any improprioties. They aren't there.
FFN and Foundation staff
So what, then are we to make of Gary's Jan 5th post wherein he lays out the lobbying agenda of FFN for the 2007 legislative session and ends with the following appeal:
"Your financial support is essential. We cannot do this without your support. Consider making a tax-deductible donation today, either online or through the mail. Click here to donate online."
Are we to assume that the "this" to which Gary refers is something other than the lobbying efforts laid out in the post? I find that less than credible. Seems to me clear that, either Gary wanted to give folks the false impression the thier tax deductable donations would be used for lobbying, or that those donations are indeed being illegally used for lobbying proposes. So which is it?
Also, I'm none too impressed by your CPA and lawyers, Enron had a whole slew of CPAs and lawyers, yet they were breaking the law.
Things will certianly get interesting once a Democrat is elected in '08 and quits letting Elmer Gantrys like Gary get a free pass, I can't wait :).
FNF Staff -
Thanks for commenting - this is a critical item obviously if you are going to maintain J-C values.
I would appreciate your follow up comment to the point Anon 8:10 made about your inability to support lobbying without tax deductible donations.
BTW - neither I nor anyone hates Gary nor anyone at FNF. At present, I doubt Gary hates homosexuals although there are deep issues BUT, once in power, we have seen how Relgious self-righteousness quickly turns to violence. John Calvin would provide plenty of source material.
Sincerely,
In Christ,
Human
"9:56, you're a delusional idiot."
Typical human/vishanti/anonymous.
BTW - Jesus said calling someone an "idiot" was akin to murder (Sermon on the Mount - translated "fool" I think but "idiot" in the Greek).
Hope you have an asbestos suit available....
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