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Civil Unions Not Enough
On the day New Jersey made Civil Unions legal, homosexual activists made it clear that it was not enough.
Steven Goldstein, chairman of Garden State Equality, has now launched a campaign to redefine marriage to include same-sex couples within two years.
He told the New York Daily News, "Marriage is the only currency of commitment the world understands."
Clearly they are not interested in just getting benefits -- they seek a total acceptance of a lifestyle. Basically, they are saying what we have been saying all along. Its not about benefits. Its about redefining marriage to include homosexual couples.
The New Jersey lawmakers passed the civil unions bill, hoping it would satisfy the gay activists. It did not.
The Domestic Partnership bill that the Washington State Legislature is apparently about to pass will not satisfy the gay activists in Washington State either.
Washington State lawmakers are about to pass, under the guise of benevolence, fairness and equality, a bill that will serve only as an incremental stepping stone to the next prize -- gay marriage.
The ultimate push is for homosexuality to be embraced, celebrated and normalized and for any dissenting views to be suppressed.
It is likely the lawmakers will vote on Domestic Partnerships next week -- even as early as Monday.
If you live in Washington State, please make one more call to your elected officials either today or first thing Monday and express your opposition to Domestic Partnerships.
Washington Legislative Hotline: 1-800-562-6000.
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47 Comments:
And once again we see the prospect of citizens having equal access to a civil contract held up as some horrible thing that must be prevented at all costs.
Why?
Gay couples are already being religiously married, they will be married regardless of if they have license to the state civil contract or not (again marriage does not come from the state). So exactly what is the big problem with all married couples having license to the same contract rather than some are licensing the marriage contract, some the civil union contract, and some the domestic partnership contract?
Expense? Can't be that - the 2% of the married population that can't currently license the marriage contract already pay their share of taxes and have been been forced to subsidize other married couples.
Massive change? a 1 out of 50 change in who licenses the current contract will have virtually no change on marriage.
Again, exactly what is the difference between allowing domestic partnership contracts for married couples and just letting all married couples license the same contract that is so incredibly scary?
A genuine, Biblical marriage is "that which God has joined together" (Mk 10). Jesus teaching regarding a genuine, godly marriage excludes any reference to the state. Therefore, the effort by Evangelicals to make state sanctioned rights (call them what you will) as synonymous with marriage results in the degradation of true, Godly marriage to nothing but a mere artificial creation of the state with state (vs. God) provided rights/responsibilities.
I find this, at best, distasteful and uniquely disparaging to both the institution of God as well as the humanity involved in the arrangement. To degrade marriage in the manner that it appears that FNF and Evangelical/Roman Catholics have done is really a slap in the face to God and the arrangement He created.
Therefore, the real issue is whether disciples of Jesus Christ will work to maintain the high view of marriage as put forth by Jesus Christ or the degraded view of marriage as proposed by Evangelicals and Roman Catholics. Genuine disciples will reject the states involvement in their marriages since their "yes must be yes" and their "nos must be no". Our integrity and honesty before man and God will be the glue of that holds us together.
I welcome Biblically based comment on what I believe is the key issue rather than the on-going meddling in the affairs of the world (and the related dissimulation which is constantly manifest in doing so) which God has specifically relegated to Himself alone (ICor5:12,13; "my kingdom is NOT of this world" - Jesus Christ; "Our battle is NOT against flesh and blood but principalities and powers" - Paul).
Sincerely,
In Christ,
Human
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Whats so scarey about saying a prayer at school ?
To some its no big deal , to some it is ..
For 180 years schools allowed it , now they don't .
Some say homosexual marriage is just a by product of it being banned .
But something on another subject , this is kind of cool . You have to love America though ..
Start the video in the middle of the page to see what Brits have to say about America!
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Whats so scarey about saying a prayer at school ?
Nothing - kids do it all the time. Christian prayer is a private thing according to Paul, right?
For 180 years schools allowed it , now they don't
Again, I was in Washington state public schools k-12, 1959-1971 and can't remember a single prayer led by a teacher. Why all this reminiscing about things that never really happened in recent memory?
Some say homosexual marriage is just a by product of it being banned
Some say evangelicals eat babies too - gotta watch about about listening to 'some sayers'. More likely since gay people have been marrying for decades it really it is about equal access to a civil contract. (I have given you the example of the gay couple I know who have been married for over 35 years previously haven't I?)
And yes that was a totally different subject, I'll give you that, but seems awfully strawmanish - who is saying the world would be a better place if the US had never existed that would spark this rebuttal?
Gary is right. People in support of equality will not stop until marriage includes same-sex couples. But why should it be any other way?
Why should we allow same-sex marriage? Because:
1) We now understand that a consistent minority of the population, for whatever reason, is attracted to members of the same gender and cannot form loving relationships with members of the opposite sex without seriously compromising who they are.
2) By denying us marriage, America is treating her citizens unequally. While straight couples can have marriage and love, gay couples must choose marriage OR love. Does anyone here recommend marriage without love?
3) Marriage helps form stable relationships and families. It works for straights; it'll work for gays, too. No more hiding and shame. No more Ted Haggards and Mark Foleys. More people and families that can live happily and in peace. That will be good for all of us.
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Human aka Vishanti says:
"I have yet to figure out why supposedly reasonably intelligent individuals, supposedly with the Holy Spirit even, cannot figure out the most basic precepts of the Word of God. Especially when they pronounce that they are the dispensers of said Word.... something is amiss for sure!"
I'm afraid it is you, human-vishanti who cannot figure out the most basic precepts of the Word of God. We all know that, yet you keep playing your game of pretending to be a Christain.
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That is not an attack Human. The attack is in your own quote. Yes His Spirit is very good--if only you understood what that meant.
Allen said...
Human,
First time on this site. You seriously don't believe all this stuff you write here do you? At first pass, I agree with others, that you are writing under several ID's. I anylize writing patterns for a living.
I believe I have seen you writing on other websites as well.
Are you a paid blogger? And if so, who would pay you? If you are not a paid blogger, why do you spend so much time on this site when you have such distain for what it stands for?
You need to get a life.
3:55 PM, February 19, 2007
I anylize writing patterns for a living.
One wonders what job that might be? :)
You need to get a life.
Words our anonymous friend should really take to heart.
Gary is that you?
If you really analyze writing patterns for a living, then you are fully incompetent. You have claimed some posts written by me were written by Human, which I know to be false.
Well, yeah - its obvious that Human and I aren't the same person (well to the sane anyway). When you run my writing through those writing analysis programs is says I use too many syllables, too long of sentences, and they are as captivating as watching drying paint.
What morbidly fascinates me is why anyone would promote such a fiction anyway? What do they get out of falsely accusing different people of being one person?
But back on topic, the polling shows that those under 25 support marriage equality by a large margin. This legislator's views are a taste of the future - no matter what happens today, equal rights will eventually come to pass and the world will be better for it.
I love all these talks about sexual morality. They are so useless, foolish. Put a few moslems into office and we've got sharia law. No more homosexual marriage talk... instead, you might be offered the opportunity to be a eunuch inside a harem....
ljm,
Cute - I enjoyed the humor.
I am curious what kind of research you have done with American Muslims - especially 2nd generation - to determine their social ethics.
Thanks,
Human
1:30 pm was written by human/vishanti.
As he clearly stated, that was the first time Allen has posted--so your claim is blatenly false.
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9:54 PM was written by Human/vishanti. He's clearly playing this game with himself to make himself feel more important!
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My goodness - that means you're Gary Randall too!
Its all so clear now...
MAXIMUM LEGISLATION
Attacking traditional marriage
House Bill 1350, Senate Bill 5335 - Legalizing gay marriage
Bah Humbug legislation
House Bill 1524 - Outlawing incandescent Christmas lights
Coddle the criminals, hug the thugs
House Bill 1003 - Free condoms for prisoners
House Bill 1473 - Allowing convicted felons to vote
House Bill 1874 - Allowing felons back into the community after serving only half their time
House Bill 2069 - Another early release bill for felons
Criminalizing berry pickers
House Bill 1040 - Prohibits collecting and selling of huckleberries (Tribal members are exempt)
House Bill 1909 - More anti-berry picker regulations
Eroding the citizens' cherished right to engage in initiatives, referenda
House Bill 2018 - Requiring licensing of paid signature gatherers
House Bill 2019 - More regulations on paid signature gatherers
Government-run health care
House Bill 2094 - "Pay or Play" government-run health care
House Joint Memorial 4005 - Government-run universal health care
Increasing the burden against taxpayers (Washington is now the fourth highest taxed state in the nation.)
House Bill 2138 - Automatic, annual gas tax increases
House Bill 2309 - Eliminates the 1 percent property tax limit passed by the people
Senate Bill 5150 - Enacting a state income tax
Infringing upon the Constitutional right of the people to keep and bear arms
House Bill 1011 - Requires an alien firearm license
House Bill 1014 - Regulates storage of firearms
House Bill 1026 - Regulates firearms sales at gun shows and events
Forced political activism
House Bill 2079 - Agency shop fees (Allowing unions to use non-member dues on political activities without permission. Attempts to do an end-run around the pending U.S. Supreme Court decision on Washington Education Association dues.)
Lawyers' prosperity legislation
Senate Bill 5816 - Tort expansion
Requiring graphic sex education to be taught to your fifth-grade child
House Bill 1297, Senate Bill 5297 - Medically accurate sex education
Spending YOUR tax dollars to fund political campaigns
House Bill 1186 - Public funding of judicial races
House Bill 1360 - Requiring taxpayer funded campaigns
Undermining support of our troops
House Joint Memorial 4004 - Anti-war memorial
http://www.houserep ublicans. wa.gov/MaximumEx posure.htm
...sounds totally partisan and therefore totally irrelevant to someone who cares about truth....
ljm - I understood your comment. Not nearly enough people in the West are facing the truth. Have you read Walid Shoebat's new book?
Mimi,
What propagandist has put fear into your heart? What is the nature of the fear that you are operating from?
In Christ, you do not need to fear any longer - fear is of the world - and the world is using the Evangelical community to play its tune.
Sincerely,
In Christ,
Human
Reality, my dear Human. Reality. That is what I deal with. (You should try it - it's very liberating! :) The 9/11 planes left from my backyard bearing peaceful human beings.
There is no fear. Why would you characterize it as such? Only recognition and acknowledgement of the Enemy. Do you reject the reality of evil, for that would be a dangerously naive worldview for a Christian.... You really puzzle me. You see evil in Republicans and Evangelicals, and perhaps in the Jews. Hmmmm. Most disturbing. But I send my prayers as usual!
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Human
Could you please restrain yourself from turning every comment toward something about your self and simply discuss the issues.
You are jeprodizing everyone's oppurtunity to do so.
FFN STAFF
;-)
Anon comes in many flavors - just like Satan comes as the angel of light.
The FNF Staff do have enough class not to make a statement like you just made.
I see that you falsely posted that other message - hmmm... not very tactful - I should have known FNF staff would not comment.
Also I suspect ffn s/b FNF.
I also note that no one has been jeopardized in any way from posting - there are unlimited posts that are possible.
"Human said...
Mimi,
I have never made a critical, condescending (hence, arrogant) comment towards you."
Earth to Human!!! Helloooooo?????
You most certainly have!!!
EARTH TO HUMAN!!!!!!!
Hello??? This site is called Faith and Freedom Network, thus FFN
NOT fnf. What is your point anyway???
No wonder most people have stopped posting on here--except for you. I'm sorry Human but you are in a totally different reality than the rest of the human population I see each day.
Human
We do have class and so do most of the people who post on this site, regardless of their point of view.
Your ramblings and rantings are becoming so offensive and your selp absortion so discusting that the staff is urging that the open posts be discontinued. Ultimately it is Gary's call.
As you know most religious websites do not allow people to post at will on their sites. Gary has maintained that he wanted people who have differing points of view and beliefs to have a place where they could interact.
If the open posts are discontinued, you will be in fact jeprodizing many people from posting and tens of thousands of people from reading the posts.
You are welcome to continue to post here, but please restrain yourself and stay with the topic. How you think some one might feel about you personally is really not what this site is all about.
Please do not ruin something that has served many people well.
Yes, this really is the FFN staff
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FNF Staff,
I have submitted my thoughts to all men and have respected those worthwhile criticisms and adjusted the tenor of my posts.
I asked you to point out specific examples of your accusation of "ramblings and rantings". Instead of working together, you simply delete my post? Is that how Jesus related to people - or did He reach out to work with them and help them.
I respectfully request that you re-establish my post and point out the errors that we might work together in Christ.
Sincerly,
In Christ
Human
Dear FFN staff,
I think if you read the comments you will find that it is not Human, who makes every thread about him, but those, who support FFN and personally attack him in every thread. I also find it very telling that you can find the time to attack Human for posting, but won't correct the anonymous poster, who is constantly claiming all these various posters are human. You know this is false, you have the information (IP addresses) to disprove this claim at your disposal, but your only interest is in joinging in the pile-on against Human. Not a very Christian thing to do, IMHO.
Human
This web site is not about you and we cannot allow you to dominate the posts with endless conversation about you.
PLEASE UNDERSTAND. The purpose of this site is to communicate with those of like mind. They are the ones who support this ministry.Gary allows open posting as no other religious sites do, so those with differing views may have a place to express their views and to interact with people of faith.
If you will address the issues, you may continue. If not, we would kindly ask you to discontinue posting
FFN staff
Censorship, attacks agaisnt anyone, who dares hold a differeing position. This thread a great example of the sort of totalitarian nation we would be living in if the Christianists at FFN had their way!
FFN Staff,
I politely requested in the deleted post for you to show me where I am off topic. I submitted myself to you according to the scriptures in doing so. You did not work together (as we are called to do when offended and which I offered to to do) but simply rejected me outright.
I have never once conversed about myself (except when someone asked a personal question - very rare). I strongly expect that even Mick would agree with what I am saying. If you can give me an example, I will review and delete or edit my post since that is not my intent. As such, I don't understand your statement. I have conversed about the Word of God - and interacted with other posters about the things of God.
I am posting just as any other posts on any blog - in a conversational, give-take manner. I have never posted anything obscene (since I don't think like that). I have only posted inquiry and concern and been open to modification.
I await your pointing out any specific posts in the past 3 blogs which you find offensive or inappropriate.
Needless to say, I will make every effort to be diligent to stay on the topic (though, at present, I believe I always have) but I will go further and simply ignore the kids that viciously attack me. I note that you have not commented on at all on these vicious, false accusation against me - why would you not protect a brother in the Lord who is obviusly being falsely accused???
Thanks for your help,
In Christ,
Human
Anon 11:20
You've got to be kidding. This is the only site I have ever seen that does not at least edit or shorten comments.
I think what they are trying to do is simply stay on point rather than see the posts become self analyisis. Tell me any thing, but don't tell me these guys censor.
And I don't even agree with most of what they are about.
Anon @ 2:25,
Grab a clue, see all the posts above that say "Comment deleted
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That is, by definition censorship.
As for this being the only site you ever visit that doesn't edit or shorten comments, you might try visiting a few liberal blogs, I know the vast majority of the conservative ones either don't allow comments at all, or edit them, but almost none of the liberal ones do.
If all they are trying to do is stay on point, then why no admonitions for all the pro-FFN posters, who consistenly try and make the discussion about the folks who disagree?
Actually if you visit the Huffington Post there is NO as in NO! censorship - you can use any word in the Bible and a few others only found in the Hebrew.... kind of refreshing actually. I am not surprised that the Right wing blogs censor criticism - most of their thinking could not stand the light of day even at the break of dawn (see "halfrican" by their saint Limbaugh)
In the Seattle PI, I had to work a bit to find ways of using some of the more colorful English expressions.... which is indeed censorship as well but at least gets the point accross.
You are correct that the Evangelical sites are terrified of criticism (I mentioned this in my deleted post). I can personally attest to this experience.
HOWEVER, since I have been posting here, I have SEVERAL TIMES given Gary credit for NOT following the other Evangelical sites and I give him kudos here and will do so personally if I ever meet him. Therefore, I find this instance of his staff arbitrily doing so to be disturbing ESPECIALLY because I have offered to work with the moderator and review any specific post but have not been responded to in kind. Hopefully further reflection and prayer will bring about a change and my post will be re-established.
Sincerely,
In Jesus,
Human
And Human keeps right on compulsively posting as anonymous and Human.
I say turn off the comments for a while. Maybe Human can find another secular site to haunt and stalk and harrass.
No one is posting because of him anyway.
Does the Word of God cause that much fear in the Religionists that post on this site?? Not really surprising that the devil is scared...
Human
Why don't you hang out on the Huffington sight if it is so good.
You are ruining this wonderful forum for so many of us. I'm going to continue to read Gary's Blogs and comments and support his ministry, but am not going to post here for a while because of your out of controll, meaningless monolog
"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.
This homosexiual marriage debate is a fight that was lost when the social progressives took control of public education ,began to support all views are relative .
Kicked Christmas with right and wrong out of public schools . . Promoted perversion in the name of safe sex and enlightenment .
All views are equal . All views except Christian views . Consequences of choices are to be lessesned in harshness by the state supported solutions .
Its ME , I am the center of the world . To a secularist , they are . Secularism is not neutral , its anti God .
The Love of Christ promotes purity , it does not enable hatred , perversion , and destruction .
He died on the Cross and these folks spit on Him everyday on this blog , they say it us .
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Hopefully other organizations , religious or non , such as this one will spring up.
But Smart enough to allow for Christians and traditionally minded citizens to converse and share with each other .
This has becomer a laughing stock .
Why blame the Christ Haters on this blog ? We know they will always be with us ,especially now , the left uses them for their
social agenda . Homosexual Marriage is really just a by product of what is going on .
Unless revival occurs ..
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Wake up church , wake up Gary .. Clean up your blog ! Get these loosers off and allow discussion and exchange . They have their own place to go ... We don't
Fully agree. We are trying to do just that.
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