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John Kerry, A Beacon of Enlightenment
John Kerry, the most recent Presidential Nominee of the Democratic Party told a group of students at Pasadena City College on Monday, “You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.”
This comment once again affirms the elitist point of view that the secular progressives always try to advance, while simultaneously denying that they actually feel that way.
Not only did this comment demean our troops who are giving all they have for America, but it fits a pattern. The elitists like to speak from their high position of enlightenment as they attempt to lead America into their “brave new world” of globalism. And when called out for their comments, they deny and attempt to explain them away. They do it every time. And Kerry did not break from the pattern this time.
When confronted with his comments, he said they were meant as a reference to President Bush, not the troops.
Kerry’s official response was, “Enough is enough. We’re not going to stand for this. We’re going to stay in their face with the truth.”
John McCain, a decorated Vietnam veteran like Kerry, said, “The suggestion that only the least educated Americans would agree to serve in the military and fight in Iraq is an insult to every soldier serving in combat today.”
As far as standing in anyone’s face with the truth, I would suggest that John Kerry is probably the last person the American public would see as a reliable truth bearer.
Our troops do not enlist because they did not study or do their homework, they do so because they believe in the enterprise called the United States of America and they are patriots.
Seventy percent of those logging on to the AOL poll feel John Kerry should apologize to our troops. I agree with the majority and so does the American Legion.
Equally as important is that every American takes another look before we vote.
While John Kerry is not running for office today, many of his brethren of elitism are. Do we really want Howard Dean, John Kerry, Al Gore, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Barney Frank, Edward Kennedy and a platoon of others who share their philosophy and vision for America running our country?
It’s up to you.
God help us.
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That's crap and you know it, Gary. It was a joke that was intended to be aimed at Bush and his complete failure in Iraq and it didn't work.
John Kerry graduated from Yale and served heroically in the military. He is the very definition of having a view that educated people take on military service.
John Kerry is the last person to be seen as a reliable truth bearer? Hardly.
John Kerry didn't lie and mislead our country into a war.
The real question is what is worse: making a bad joke that can be misconstrued into an insult about our miliary persons's intellgence or being deliberately dishonest and not prepared as you send off those same military people to go and die in Iraq for your own political gain?
God help us, indeed.
As a veteran and the wife of a deployed soldier. I am able to ascertain exactly what John Kerry was saying. He was saying that in his heart he beleives all soldiers are un-educated. How can he possibly claim it was a botched joke? It's VERY obvious to what he meant to say. And I am not happy about it at all. I never did like John Kerry because I always thought he was fake. Now, he's exposed himself. For the simple fact that he shows absolutely NO RESPECT for the President of the United States, MY PRESIDENT. That shames him. And his recent "apology" is not an apology at all. Unfortunately, knowing how a soldier thinks, DUTY comes first and most will quietly ignore his comment and not get in an uproar about it. But, since I am a FORMER soldier and always a soldier at heart. I am expressing my opinion. And that is- John Kerry is digging his hole deeper and deeper and MOST people don't beleive his lies.
As the Guru stated, this was supposed to be a joke aimed at President Bush.
The question is obvious - can we, by reviewing the entire contents of the incident, clearly determine that to be the case.
I believe it would be prudent, as those who claim to be disciple of Jesus Christ - who presumably care enough to earnestly search out to see whether these things be so - to be provided the full context and perhaps even access to the video.
There appear to be only two possibilities - let's find out and make sure we all can agree on what John Kerry said before we lambaste him.
If this was a joke on Bush's incompetence, then Gary's diatribe will expose a complete lack of integrity and, in fact, will demonstrate that his values are the opposite of those of Jesus Christ which are the highest call to the truth and integrity.
If, on the other hand, Kerry made a joke regarding the poor souls who went to Iraq to fight and die in some incompetent moron's war because they were deceived or had such economic need that they were willing to die just to try to live, well, I hate to say it, but to some extent his statement is true. A good education will tend to keep you out of places like Bagdad - which is the last place any sane person would want to be.
The reality is that there are a lot of uneducated people in the military who for one reason or the other including simply no other option choose that.
Gary - please provide the full text and context as well as a video link so at least we can all review and judge for ourselves what in fact John Kerry did say. Then, at least, our judgements will be based on inscrutable facts.
BTW - As a note - John fought in Vietnam - George Bush skipped out of the military using his daddy's coattails. The reality is that George has nothing to say in the matter because he has insulted the military personnel far greater by his licentious, anti-Christ lifestyle - not to say how he deceived them into the war and then failed to provide the equipment and is now taking away their benefits. LET'S TALK ABOUT INSULTING MILITARY PERSONNEL - LOOK AT GEORGE FOR REAL VIOLENCE AGAINST THE MILITARY - instead of some, at worst, lame joke.
Peace,
In Christ,
Human
Do you even hear yourself? A soldier who graduated from one of the most prestigous universities in this country is saying "all soldiers are uneducated"? Please, just think about that for a minute. It's not that complicated and it's extremely telling to see the difference between people who are willing to be so partisan as to take anything and everything and try to demonize people over them and those who can simply see reality and the truth.
BTW - Gary, your comment re: "elitist point of view" - when have you not enshrined your point of view as "elitist"?? With all due respect, isn't this simply the pot calling the kettle black?
Isn't there something in Rom 2:1ff that speaks of those who judge who do the same???
Peace,
In Christ
Human
Human,
Do you get as big of a kick out of the slam on Democrats as being "elitist" as I do? Republicans - the party run by millionaires for the specific benefit of the millionaires - trying to drum up support by claiming the other side is looking down their noses at them. It's the peak of hypocrisy and business as usual for them all at the same time.
Great job, Gary. You nailed it.
I absolutely LOVE The picture of the soldiers in IRAQ.. !!! How fitting.
What a golden egg Kerry dropped in the lap of the cons, a mistatement that they can use to capitalize on the $200 million they've already invested in '04 to train the flock to hate Kerry.
Anything to keep the focus off the corruption and incompetence of this administration.
If the cons hadn't messed this country up so bad, this mistatement might have made a difference. Fortunately, polls indicate most people understand that the real issue is the hard work ahead to clean up the stinking mess bush will leave behind and the necessity to stop the bleeding immediately with a democratic house.
The cons will have fun with this for the whole week because the standard issues of god, gay marriage, and abortion just aren't strong enough to overcome the inescapable reality of the danger we face if we don't change things soon.
btw - should bush have to appologize the to all the ob-gyn's that he accused of wanting to practice their love with their patients? It's pathetic to have him, of all people, jump on someone else's misstatment.
Gary's comments echo the standard line from the GOP noise machine. Mr. Randall knows well that the Kerry gaffe was he omission of the word "us," in the line "Getting us stuck in Iraq."
It is Mr. Randall who should be "the last person the American public would see as a reliable truth bearer."
Shame on you Mr. Randall.
God Bless you FFN for your good work. Thank you for continuing to provide us with reliable information. May the LORD Bless you and keep you and make his face shine upon you!! God Bless America. God Bless our soldiers serving so faithfully in Iraq. God Bless all the people who consistently come to this website to hear TRUTH. May they continue to be blessed in their hearing.
FFN doesn't have "reliable information" and they don't provide people here with "TRUTH", but they certainly are in serious need of a lot of attention from God. (and I do think the weird things the word verification comes up with are awfully fun)
Anon 1:38
You seem to be politicizing your use of God and His blessing. Are you sure you want to so demean the Lord in this manner??
I would suggest repentance unto a genuine respect, fear and love for Jesus and our Father such that you would leave them out of your silly political banter - quite honestly it borders on blashphemy.
Peace,
In Christ,
Human
Kerry might have a chance of convincing me if he had not already accused our military with terrorizing woman and children. He has been disrespectful and derogatory all along. He referred to some of the military in the Vietnam War as Ghenghis Kahn. So his reputation has proceeded him.
The other thing that I simply don't get is that Kerry had the same info everyone else did from the CIA. And like so many others, was in favor of the war against terror. But of course the commander in chief gets the buck to stop with him.
Lastly the thing that I don't see anyone reminding us of, is that commanders were estimating casualties before we left for Afghanistan. Does anyone remember what those estimates were???? Anyone??
We can go back to archived news articles and broadcasts. They were in the 30,000 to hopefully not as many as 50,000 soldiers lost. It is a HUGE testimony to our military that we are talking about such a much smaller number!!! Our military is great.
Gary is right. I used to be one of those secular progressives.
I find it hard to believe Kerry's comment was a strickly a joke. Even if it was, the way he handled it afterward showed his character.
Well, in general, I think John Kerry is a dumb ass and I'm glad he's not our president. One reason I never even considered voting for him was already well stated by someone else:
"I never did like John Kerry because I always thought he was fake."
With that in mind, and the fact that I agree with the majority of things Gary posts on here, and the fact that I'm a Christian with a love for the truth, I have to say that I disagree with Gary on this one.
Before reading anything else ABOUT what Kerry said, when I read WHAT he said, the first thing that came to mind was that he was taking this opportunity to insult the president.* It never crossed by mind that he might be talking about our troops until I read it suggested on here, so I'd like to suggest that maybe Gary has misconstrued Kerry's statement.
Let's keep things truthful and real Gary, and lets not jump to conclusions. Keep an open mind. Just a suggestion from a long time reader. Thanks.
-Mike
*BTW, if this is the case, I don't really appreciate THIS either, but that's a separate issue.
Kerry's 'Botched Joke' Not Funny, Say Conservatives and Veterans
By Chad Groening and Jody Brown
November 1, 2006
(AgapePress) - Senator John Kerry says it was a "botched joke" -- but conservative and Republican leaders aren't laughing. And neither is the American Legion.
The senator from Massachusetts, while stumping for Democratic candidates in California, was speaking to a group of college students in Pasadena on Monday when he said: "You know, education, if you make the most of it, and you study hard and you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."
The comment, as CNSNews.com puts it, has been "raising eyebrows and infuriating conservatives" since it hit the newswires and airwaves, eliciting accusations that the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee is demonstrating "elitism" and "smearing" American service men and women by implying they are uneducated.
In the ensuing firestorm, Kerry initially refused to apologize -- calling the remark a "botched joke" intended to insult President Bush -- and accused Republicans who are taking issue with the statement of engaging in a "classic GOP, textbook Republican campaign tactic." He has now apologized, says Reuters, which quotes him as saying "Of course, I'm sorry about a botched joke." According to the senator's office, Kerry neglected to add the punch line: "Just ask President Bush."
But Gary Bauer of the group American Values says Kerry's comment does more than expose Kerry's anti-Bush leanings. "I think it also exposes the left wing of American politics, generally," says Bauer. "They've been very chameleon-like in this campaign, sounding moderate, keeping their leaders like Nancy Pelosi and others off the radar screen. But we've seen the real face, I think, of the political left in the United States."
The conservative spokesman, a former GOP presidential candidate, also does not buy Kerry's explanation that his comment was not really directed at American troops.
"He's now denying that he was referring to U.S. service men and women [on Monday], but we have to keep in mind that, not that many months ago, Senator Kerry talked about U.S. troops terrorizing Iraqis -- and he had to backtrack on that, too," Bauer recalls. "So I think we got a real glimpse here of the anti-military attitude that prevails on the political left in the United States."
The president himself fired back, saying that Kerry's suggestion that men and women serving in the U.S. military are somehow uneducated is "insulting and shameful." Bush was speaking in Georgia when he said, "Our troops did not enlist because they did not study hard in school or do their homework. [Those] who serve in our all-volunteer Armed Forces are serving because they are patriots -- and Senator Kerry owes them an apology."
Arizona Senator John McCain, a Vietnam War veteran, also demanded that Kerry apologize, pointing out that it is precisely because of Americans like those serving in Iraq that the Massachusetts senator has the freedom -- and right -- to utter "insensitive, ill-considered, and uninformed remarks."
In addition, the national commander of the nation's largest veterans organization says Kerry's "over-the-top" verbal attack demanded an apology. Paul Morin says while The American Legion shares Senator Kerry's appreciation for education, the troops in Iraq "represent the most sophisticated, technologically superior military" that the world has ever seen.
"I think there is a thing or two that they could teach most college professors and campus elitists about the way the world works," Morin offers in a press release, sharing that he is both "disappointed" and "outraged" by Kerry's comments. The spokesman for The American Legion also points out a consistency in the senator's comments over the years.
"A generation ago," says Morin, "Senator Kerry slandered his comrades in Vietnam by saying that they were rapists and murderers. It wasn't true then, and his warped view of today's heroes isn't true now."
As Election Day approaches, Bauer believes there could be some political fallout for the Democratic Party as a result of Kerry's comments. He expresses concern about the survival of the nation when there are politicians "ridiculing patriotism and suggesting that military service and sacrifice is something for stupid kids."
This was such an easy slam dunk for Gary and his croonies around here. Spent huge chunks of the last three years saying and writing every vile, mean, and nasty thing you could about Kerry to where there is nothing he could do that you wouldn't demonize him about. And granted, it was a stupid joke that he never should have said, but you all are such total hypocrites. You scream and whine about the audacity to criticize the president, but you made a regular hobby out of it for eight years with Clinton. You crap all over Kerry for your interpretation of what he said despite that it's not what he meant and it doesn't even make sense if it was what he meant. And you all know if John McCain had made the exact same comment you'd be on here defending him up and down as trying to take a serious look at the failures of public education and the connection there with the high number of enlistees who had no other option. And you'll all deny all of that, but anyone who isn't here with the complete agenda to anything and everything for the Republican party knows it's exactly true.
Anon 4:07
Your point is well taken -
Gary, this appears to be hypocrisy since the malice towards Clinton was just a starting point with the Evangelical leadership.
Care to comment - I would be open to hearing your side of the story.
Anon Mike,
Good points!! Truth and integrity are far more important than political gain - esp. when malice is used to obtain that gain.
I also have no special love for the Democratic party or John Kerry - anybody who could not beat that coward, anti-Christ Bush does not deserve to be in any political office.
BTW - Anti-Christ = dropping bombs on children in the name of national security all the while whining about "sanctity of life"
Coward = riding on his daddie's coattails to escape active duty - then sending young men to die for his insane pleasure of beating up Saddam.
Yes, "Brownie is doing a helluva job!!"
Peace,
In Christ,
Human
Human that is certainly not full of fruit to say "that coward anti-Christ Bush".
Look at your own log(s) in your eye and quit bashing others and making your bizarre claims about what the bible says.
No matter how I look at what Kerry said, I find it a very strange thing to say.
Either he is denigrating a group of people to criticize our President and call it a joke(which is improper for a Senator) or he is simply denigrating a group of people (which is improper for a Senator).
The Commander in Chief, Bush, had a responsibility to address it.
I don't think Human has any idea what the fruit of the spirit are even though he accused someone else of lacking fruit.
Human probably doesn't even know what "log in the eye" means.
"Coward = riding on his daddie's coattails to escape active duty - then sending young men to die for his insane pleasure of beating up Saddam."
That is what the Democrats call the Michael Moore fringe. They are trying to distance themselves from the fringe because they are way, way out there.
Why is it that Liberals make a habit of logging onto an obvious Christian conservative site? just to rile people up? Or, is there another reason? Do you people come on this site to learn something? Would you like to know TRUTH? I can tell you- SEEK GOD. There is TRUTH. Jesus said, "I am the way, the TRUTH and the life no man comes to the Father except through me"..
Truth = George, Dick and Karl avoided active service.
Truth: George, by far and large, even avoided service in the reserve.......
If you are interested in truth, then you will work from that base towards a genuine solution.
George sent young men and women into Iraq - 3,000 have needlessly died for ???? (Ans: Absolutely Nothing!!) How many thousands of children, women and peaceful have died directly as a result of US Military action? Many!
Better for a millstone to be tied around this anti-Christ's neck then to hurt even one of these little ones. Source: Jesus Christ.
So much for the santity of life from those who have come to steal, kill and destroy. We know the source of their energy. Source: Jesus Christ.
These criminals need to be brought before the Hauge as soon as possible and be punished for their crimes against humanity. An appropriate punishment would be to drop them into the middle of the Sadr slum in Bagdad.
BTW - I have a great photo of some Marines in Iraq telling Bush where to go and applauding the work of Michael Moore.
re: Log in Eye - I recommend a reading of Tit 1:10ff for Paul's description of character of those who justly deserved it.
re: Liberal
What is a liberal?? That is simply a word to cause the ignorant and unstable to knee-jerk and salivate - it is a made-up boogeyman by the Evangelical leadership and newsmedia - some people are dumb enough to accept that label. A genuine disciple of Jesus Christ rejects both the labels of liberal and conservative but, rather, is fully identified with Christ alone. This is an inconvenient truth for the Religious Right since it is an obstacle for their politicizing Jesus - but so far, I suppose because of ignorance or flesh, they are succeeding.
Peace,
In Christ,
Human
Anon 6:08
What is the deal with the personal, sarcastic dig??
You might consider a serious view into your eye - and I do think you know what a log means - time for some tree cutting.
Peace,
In Christ,
Human
"BTW - Anti-Christ = dropping bombs on children in the name of national security all the while whining about "sanctity of life"
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Many of the place we bombed had leaflets dropped days in advance telling people "at XX:XX time on Date XX/XX/XX will be be bombing the area between streets X and Y and streets A and B" Please evacuate the area" Bombing of course if never pleasant, but you have to admit that for the most part, we, more than any other nation in the history of the world, have tried to minimze damage and death to non-combatants. If it weren't for our troops having to be so incredibly careful gun shy, we probably could have been in and out of there by now.
"Better for a millstone to be tied around this anti-Christ's neck then to hurt even one of these little ones. Source: Jesus Christ."
Actually, it was not "to hurt even on of these little ones", rather it was "if anyone should cause one of these little ones to sin (or to fall away)..." I don't believe he caused any of the little ones to sin. I think God's word is important enough to at least quote it, if not verbatim, at least with the correct intent and meaning and not slanted to fit the impact you want to make on the reader. Did it not quite fit your political agenda as well to quote it correctly?
-Mike
Ref:
Matthew 18:6
Mark 9:42
Luke 17:2
Anon 9:47
I come here to hopefully encourage and spread the truth, because the content and tone of this site and most of the people who rally around it is far from the truth and that is dangerous and wrong.
And it's also frustrating that people see that and think it represents Christianity and therefore believe it represents me and I would like that to stop to.
6:28AM
FFN is not the mouth piece for all of christianity. FFN is a faith based political organization. If you are looking for spiritual connection with God, I suggest you go to a church community and stop looking to web sites for your spiritual renewel. FFN exists to advance faith based solutions and commentary in the political arena. If you don't like it, go help your local soup kitchen. Be productive instead of critical.
John Kerry says what Democrats are thinking!!!LOL!!!! The truth comes out.
Human I am surprised at you. Being a Mars Hill member myself you have abandoned the orthodoxy of scripture for a moral relativist view of reaching the lost. It's very sad because I see this so much from my brothers and sisters in Mars Hill. You try to portray yourself as culturally relevant in the hopes of reaching the lost. In the process you loose your moral compass and compromise God's word by your words and actions. Please do me a favor and enter in to community and spread the gospel through relationships instead of preaching on this web site. Your passion for Christ is better served building up the body instead of tearing it down.
I see Guru and Andrew the resident trolls are hard at work. Many people would be surprised to know that communist organizations like Move-on.org and the Democratic Underground assign people to blast conservatives on these blogs. There job is to disrupt the flow of conversation and make you feel marginalized. Guru and Andrew are just doing what they are told to do.
"FFN is a faith based political organization."
FFN is a thinly disguised cover for the Republican National Committee to keep fooling Christians into thinking theirs is the only party to vote for.
"stop looking to web sites for your spiritual renewel"
Who is doing that? Who even said that? Like I said, I come here in hopes of helping my fellow believers to see some actual truth instead of most of what comes out here.
"Be productive instead of critical."
One, sometimes being critical is productive (especially if it helps others see the err of their ways). Two, there is plenty of room to be critical here while still spending plenty of my time working hard in other ministries in my church and local community.
"Many people would be surprised to know that communist organizations like Move-on.org and the Democratic Underground assign people to blast conservatives on these blogs."
I don't know what the Democratic Underground is. And I've never seen anything with Move-On that was very communist. Many MORE people would be suprised to know that communism is an economic philosophy that is far more Christian than the capitalism we practice here in America and that the ripping of it shows that either you don't know much about it or you've been fooled into thinking that evil dictators who claim to be communist and really are not at all represent true communism.
"Guru and Andrew are just doing what they are told to do. "
You don't know me and while you think you do well enough to judge and demean me, you are wrong. I have a boss at my work, a wife, and a Lord. Those are the only people I know who tell me what to do. I suppose if I took your approach I would just assume that since you would rather make up lies about me than actually honestly look at what I say you are either too scared or too uninformed to have a reasonable conversation about these issues. You wouldn't like that and I'm not willing to stoop to that level.
Anon 9:09
Your comment is why the word "wingnut" was created. It is patently false in every respect. Therefore, it is anti-Christ and a work of Satan.
Peace,
In Christ,
Human
Anon 9:05 - Mars Hill Member
MH - I am puzzled by your comment - I have been asserting scripture (rather than abandoning) in every one of my posts. It is scripture that drives me to speak against the evil that is advocated and done in the name of my Lord Jesus Christ. He compells me to lay down a strict ethic that must be followed.
Your statement re: moral relativism seems to merely reflect a right wing knee jerk reaction towards ANYONE (including the Lord) who does not kow tow to the neo-Con Right wing line. I am hoping I am missing something and I would be happy to meet you and clarify any issues if you will provide your email.
However, as noted, this is a political web-site - therefore the discussion relates to politics. My focus is on asserting the values of Jesus Christ in contrast to those who would distort them. I believe this is also our call.
Peace,
In Christ,
Human
Anon Mike -
You indicated that I did not use these scriptures correctly. I submit to you and will review them to make certain and make corrections as needed (according to the scriptures).
I am puzzled why you choose to throw the personal, sarcastic dig in at the end of your blog - could you also maybe review Gal 6:1ff about how to reprove a brother in a spirit of gentleness. Could you tell me whether you came to me in that spirit???
Peace,
In Christ,
Human
I have been reading this site for quite a long time and I'm really suprised at the harshness of your criticisms toward Gary. I have seen him make his case in every possible way. In fact, that's why I come here regularly, but I have never sensed he was hate filled and the facts he gives are really quite accurate. I've checked them out a number of times and found them to be correct.
While you may disagree with his beliefs, and some times I do, perhaps it would be better to give reasoned rebuttals then to just attack him and try to characterize him as a cover for the GOP,which I don't think he is because I have seen him criticize them. Some of the posts that I read here make Gary's case better than he does. At least he is trying to do something, rather than just going to other people's web sites and calling them names and being critical of them.
Yes. I agree.
I can't speak for anyone else on here, but my critisms here are not just for Gary. It's for the entire mindframe that Gary and others like him support that the Republican platform is a Christian one, is the only one for Christians to support, and that all opposition is therefore inherently wrong. No, Gary would never say any of that specifically, but it's clearly the mission of this site and this organization. His information is often inaccurate and misleading. His bent is consistent. He's not critical of the GOP and his slant on everything here is consistently pro-GOP and anti-Democrat, though he never gets into MOST of the issues out there. He is trying to do something - keep the party's Christian support happy, misinformed, and short sighted. Where are the pieces about the destruction of the environment as an important issue? Not here, because the GOP is not the party interested in doing the real work to preserve and protect God's creation. Where are the pieces about the death tolls in Iraq and caused by the death penalty? Not here, because that would challenge that the GOP is truly the pro-life party which would be disasterous with all the endless series of abortion and stem cell pieces that have been coverred. Where are the pieces about having a budget and tax system that benefit all mankind instead of mostly the ultra-wealthy? Not here, because that might stop us from re-hashing for the seven thousandth time how much we have to fight against gay marriage so we can keep believing that is the only threat to marriage out there. If the commitment here was truly toward promoting Judeo-Christian values, we would see all of these issues coverred in accurate and serious manners. We don't come anywhere close to that. We get the GOP talking points for how to fire up the conservative Christians and get them to keep robotically checking off whatever name is followed by an R. And when it comes to "calling names" and "being critical" - the people who don't agree with Gary get 90% of it directed at them and only dish out 10% of it themselves.
Anon 10:44
I am not sure who is calling Gary "names" - I have not seen this but may have missed it.
The issue is his characterizations and twists of reality. Jesus called us judge in righteousness rather than according to appearance. I use the below quotes for my point.
"elitist point of view that secular progressives always"
This statement is full of so much error it is sickening to even write. The reality is that the greatest elistist are Rich, Fat, White Republican men - many who attend Southern Baptist churches and related country clubs where blacks and women have not been allowed and even now are not welcome.
Watch out for the term "always" - rarely is anything "always" as you know as well as I. The reality is that most so called secular progressives are not elitists in anyway (I know some and they are as humble or more so than many Evangelicals I have encountered).
"while simultaneously denying that they actually feel that way."
I would suggest that Gary's writing suggests that he feels that all "secular progressives" should drink poison and die - he seems that he would be much happier if he had his own little planet where he was god.
"The elitists like to speak from their high position of enlightenment"
I have never heard Gary speak from any other position than the "high position of enlightment" from which he advocates his abolutist, oppression/violence oriented position - defending lies and hypocricies, malice and twists of the truth at every moment to advance his agenda of political and social domination.
I wish I was wrong - but I have seen too many examples.
Therefore, a) I am not calling him names but pointing out the anti-Christ nature of these positions that he is taking here and b) wondering how you could say they are "quite accurate".
The right wing regularly AS in some instances does the left wing show some elements of truth that they mix with error to beguile the weak and unstable. The call of God for the disciple is to point out the error of either the right or the left. In particular we are called to speak against those who would drag the precious name of Jesus through the mud for their political gain.
Peace,
In Him who died for all of us that we might have peace with Him with whom we have to do,
Human
Once again, you have made his point. If you disagree with some one just attack them.
Why don't you make your argument in favor of communism and other important beliefs you hold
Anon 11:32
My important belief is that God is true and every man a liar, that Jesus died for your and my sins and rose from the dead on the 3rd day and is now sitting at the right hand of the Father from whence He will come to bring judgement. My belief is total dedication and submission to Jesus Christ.
How would like to proceed from here?
Peace,
In Christ,
Human
Wow Human ,
Are we not the example of love and brotherhood .
Could it be that Bush was wrong , a noble cause to free people from being murdered , mutualted , women dominated to silence , men castrated , yes real torture.
If Bush was paying attention to Korea , people would be atatcking him for allowing the mayhem in Itaq to continue . At least that is what the previous administration was stating , they came up with the policy of regime change if facts mean anything to you . In the final conclussion , I am not sure if Iraq is right otr wrong , I wish it over , and andI wish my boy was not going over there . People please pray for our troops , and Our President . I do not believe he is the anti Christ , and I believe the power of our AlMighty God can help him in his decision making and protect our boys , all of the boys from terror and evil .. God is control , and always will be .
Praise his mighty Name !
Mick,
To what do I attribute this personal sarcasm to? My believe in the shed blood of Jesus - in total submission to him??
"Are we not the example of love and brotherhood ."
I will pray for your son - he will need it in the hell hole that he is descending into.
Father, I agree with Mick that you would protect his son from harm, that you would enable him to do good, saving both American and Iraqi people. I pray that he would see the grotesqueness of violence and war and work to end such barbarianism on our planet. Thank-you for hearing our prayer.
Peace,
In Christ,
Human
Once again we find hypocrisy amongst the highest ranks of the defenders of "traditional American values." Me thinks the theocrat protest too much.
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2006/11/thou-shalt-not-lie-so-obviously.php
"Once again we find hypocrisy amongst the highest ranks of the defenders of "traditional American values." Me thinks the theocrat protest too much."
That is a problem with an individual person, not with Christians as a whole. Christians should not be stereotyped by the failing of one so-called "prominent leader."
I have extreme liberals who are friends and I feel free to discuss and debate with them on the merits of their individual arguments on individual issues, but I don't just blindly say "friend, you're an idiot because you're a democrat," even though I believe democratic leaders would like to take the country to places I don't agree with.
Or you can't agree to hold individuals accountable, instead of the group the belong to or supposedly "lead," then I guess we'll all have to assume that all democrats/liberals are lying, adulterous, dolts that don't know what the definition of "is" is. I'm pretty sure my liberal friends don't fit in that catetory, so let's keep things in their proper perspective.
Oops, replace "Or" with "If" in the above post. And "they belong" instead of "the belong."
Sorry. :-)
Anon 9:08
Do you realize how much what you just wrote flies in direct opposition with what Gary has written here?
John Kerry isn't running for office, but Gary is trying to lump all Democrats into the same wrong, misleading, negative picture he paints of Kerry.
Even if it were true and accuate about Kerry (which it's not even close to), where is the calling out of Gary to "not be stereotyped by the failing of one so-called "prominent leader.""?
Anon 9:08
You are absolutely correct - and, if this was the spirit that right wing religious community approached issues - including focusing on peaceful solutions (vs. oppression)- then we would all work together and maybe come to solutions that would be much better than the bitter partisan divide that now exists.
Guru - As usual, you are right target - the right wing religious community - in the immaturity of its infancy - knee jerks at at any mention of "liberal" secular public , etc.
This has happened to both you and I on this site - despite the fact that both of us are disciples of Jesus Christ and hardly what I would call liberal - but do hate hypocrisy and violence REGARDLESS of whether it was Clinton or Bush who spawned it (and they both have spawned plenty - and will stand in judgement for it!!).
Peace,
In Christ,
Human
"10:44 AM, November 02, 2006 "
Well said my beloved brethen!!!
Geru ,
Explain to be planks in the democratic party ,
such as abortion with your tax dollars , gay marriage and the tax benefits that we all pay that supports that , affirmitive action where people are treated differently by their race , ..
I guess I am interested in those positions , because Bibically I can not understand treating people differently because of race , it appears prejudice , in fact those who support affirmitive action admit its to make up for prejudice , so actually say a Tiger Woods could score higher then a person who equally scores on a test , weird example , but I think you may understand why treating anyone but equal under the law is sort of playing god , it just does not work .
Are you for abortion ? The fact that Mary was with child and nor Mary was with fetus must at least make you consider that providing tax dollars for abortions is wrong , to err on the side of life , if not , I can show you plenty of Bible reading scriptures that promote a pro life position , if you are interetsed , Iassume you have read them yourself ?
Also gay marriage , not legal contracts , marriage ... Christ example of marriage when he was talking about adultry was referencing Adam and Eve , he cited a man and a woman ... Homosexuality at that time was not a political action group . Remember the lady getting stoned for adultry , learn about Bibical History , and those times Geru , homosexuality was considered pretty much a weird occurance . That is was not a born thing , but a chosen thing . People would get stoned , killed for acts with one and another . Thats why Christ did not talk to it , it was not even relevant . Homosexuals stayed in the closet for more then religious reasons , but to stay alive .
And even if you can accept these traditional teachings , how can you in all intellectual honesty not understand why the majority of Christians do ... I mean even homosexual activists accept the fact that the Bible teaches that homosexuality is a no no .
So yeah , I can see why Christians vote republican ... I thught of swiching political parties , mid life crisis I guess, but I an show you stuff that is obvious to me thaqt Christians with a traditional view I hold are not wanted ... If you care about the envirnoment , the working man , middle class , and sick of the country club republicans kissing the rear ends of corporations , you either side witht he democrat who promotes aview your narrow and a hate monger , Human and JC does that, or you vote for the political party in the pockets of big business , but gives a little lip service , and actually some good people also who are sincere , yes some republicans are , to the traditions ,defends rights and values that made this country great .
Andrew said...
Once again we find hypocrisy amongst the highest ranks of the defenders of "traditional American values." Me thinks the theocrat protest too much.
Yeah Andrew , must be great to promote perverted American Values .. That way you are always right and so much more tolerant .
I wonder how Guru and Human have so much time to just sit and respond. I am sure Gary has other things to do besides writing all day.
Mick,
I am opposed to gay marriage and abortion. And if those were the only two issues in politics with Biblical influence on them, then I can't imagine why any Christian would ever even consider not voting for the Republicans. But there are two problems:
1) The practical differences in the general positions of the Dems and Reps on those two issues aren't all that significantly different.
2) There are many more issues (environment, death penalty, war, guns, education, minority rights, health care, budget, taxes, etc.) that have Biblical guidance on them that the Dems are better on, as well as other character issues like honesty and trustworthiness that the current crop of Republicans aren't doing very well on.
I'm not a Dem or a Rep. Neither party gets it right enough. If you are a Christian and you want to think ONLY that abortion and gay marriage are the only issues that matter, then you should vote Rep. But if you look at the big picture, I don't see a way to rationalize a Christian voting Republican right now. I'm very open to having my mind changed - that's part of why I do go to sites like this, so I can see the other side - but at this point that hasn't happened.
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